# Red numbers in Gusen-cards
**URL:** https://talk.arolsen-archives.org/t/red-numbers-in-gusen-cards/18087
**Category:** Feedback
**Created:** [21. Juni 2024 um 12:21 UTC](https://talk.arolsen-archives.org/t/red-numbers-in-gusen-cards/18087 "2024-06-21T12:21:57Z")
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### Author:  [@routebleue](https://talk.arolsen-archives.org/u/routebleue)
#### Post date: [21. Juni 2024 um 12:21 UTC](https://talk.arolsen-archives.org/t/red-numbers-in-gusen-cards/18087/1 "2024-06-21T12:21:57Z")
- **Document ID:** 1488155
- **Document Collection:** „1-1-26-3-Individuelle Unterlagen Maenner Mauthausen“
- **Link to Online Archive:** [https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/de/document/1488155](https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/de/document/1488155)
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# Discussion Question
prisoner numbers
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### Author:  [@routebleue](https://talk.arolsen-archives.org/u/routebleue)
#### Post date: [21. Juni 2024 um 12:26 UTC](https://talk.arolsen-archives.org/t/red-numbers-in-gusen-cards/18087/2 "2024-06-21T12:26:48Z")
As for the red numbers in the Gusen cards:
Maybe it is possible to have some additional examples and details in the help text?
The red numbers’ positions in the card is obviously not the only criterium.
In this card there is another (red) prisoner number in the upper right corner, whereas the red number in the middle is (probably) the one we should ignore.
My intuitive decision (according to the different handwritings) was confirmed by his other Arolsen documents.
I entered these three: 43057 (in red, his Mauthausen number), 13936 (his Dachau number), 7555 (edit: ~~might be his Flossenbürg number~~ , see below!) - I ignored 6277.
(This is just one example of scattered/mixed up red numbers. I had other cards similar to this one.)
_[edit 25.06.2024: Meanwhile the help-text has been adjusted accordingly! also see [this discussion](https://talk.arolsen-archives.org/t/gusen-karten-1417460/18158) ]_
Und noch eine Kleinigkeit am Rande: In der englischen Gusen-Zusammenfassung („What we know so far“) wird das Geburtsdatum fehlerhaft angezeigt. Die deutsche Version ist okay.
(Ist aber nicht wirklich wichtig.)
ein gutes Wochenende allerseits!
Alois HLAVAC
[https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search?s=hlavac%20alois%201911](https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search?s=hlavac%20alois%201911)
[on ushmm](https://www.ushmm.org/online/hsv/person_advance_search.php?NameSearch __SourceSrchGrp=&NameSearch__ ParentSourceId=&NameSearch __sort=score&NameSearch__ MaxPageDocs=25&NameSearch __lname=hlavac&NameSearch__ lname_accuracy=&NameSearch __fname=alois&NameSearch__ fname_accuracy=&NameSearch __lname_maiden=&NameSearch__ lname_maiden_accuracy=&NameSearch __Query=&NameSearch__ SourceId=&source_list=&NameSearch __year_birth=1911&NameSearch__ year_birth_accuracy=&NameSearch __year_death=&NameSearch__ year_death_accuracy=&NameSearch __year=&NameSearch__ year_accuracy=&NameSearch __place=&NameSearch__ place_accuracy=&NameSearch __place_IsGeoExpand_cb_1=expand&NameSearch__ place_IsGeoExpand_cb_0=&NameSearch __place_birth=Brazina&NameSearch__ place_birth_accuracy=&NameSearch __place_birth_IsGeoExpand_cb_1=expand&NameSearch__ place_birth_IsGeoExpand_cb_0=&NameSearch __place_prewar=&NameSearch__ place_prewar_accuracy=&NameSearch __place_prewar_IsGeoExpand_cb_1=expand&NameSearch__ place_prewar_IsGeoExpand_cb_0=&NameSearch __place_wartime=&NameSearch__ place_wartime_accuracy=&NameSearch __place_wartime_IsGeoExpand_cb_1=expand&NameSearch__ place_wartime_IsGeoExpand_cb_0=&NameSearch __place_death=&NameSearch__ place_death_accuracy=&NameSearch __place_death_IsGeoExpand_cb_1=expand&NameSearch__ place_death_IsGeoExpand_cb_0=&NameSearch __meta_333=&NameSearch__ meta_259=)
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### Author:  [@annabell.boerger](https://talk.arolsen-archives.org/u/annabell.boerger)
#### Post date: [21. Juni 2024 um 13:45 UTC](https://talk.arolsen-archives.org/t/red-numbers-in-gusen-cards/18087/3 "2024-06-21T13:45:14Z")
Hallo @routebleue,
danke für den Hinweis zu der englischen Zusammenfassung, wir haben es angepasst!
Den Hinweis mit den roten Nummern gebe ich gerne weiter.
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I’ll pass on the suggestion about the red numbers.
Best,
Annabell
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### Author:  [@annabell.boerger](https://talk.arolsen-archives.org/u/annabell.boerger)
#### Post date: [24. Juni 2024 um 08:49 UTC](https://talk.arolsen-archives.org/t/red-numbers-in-gusen-cards/18087/4 "2024-06-24T08:49:13Z")
A quick addition to the prisoner numbers:
Alois Hlavac was admitted to Dachau on July 19, 1940, prisoner number 13936;
transferred to the Mauthausen/Gusen concentration camp on August 16/17, 1940, prisoner number 7555/43057.
According to our investigations, there was a renumbering in Gusen on January 24, 1944.
Incidentally, some prisoners could have two or three Gusen prisoner numbers.
In any case, 7555 it is not a Flossenbürg prisoner number! As already mentioned, 6277 is an internal numbering of the index cards.
Have a nice day,
Annabell
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### Author:  [@routebleue](https://talk.arolsen-archives.org/u/routebleue)
#### Post date: [24. Juni 2024 um 10:08 UTC](https://talk.arolsen-archives.org/t/red-numbers-in-gusen-cards/18087/5 "2024-06-24T10:08:34Z")
Thanks for your extra work and this clarification!
I have changed my comment above.
Have a sunny summerday!